Thread:Loodey/@comment-34698072-20200213214629/@comment-44122695-20200225235415

No I do not know how to DM. I thought you were the creator?

Let's not call it a debate, let's call it a discussion :)

The quote is actually:

"A book read by a thousand different people is a thousand different books."

This was to show Fi (the common typing I see for him is INFJ). If the quote had been " a thousand readings is a thousand different books" then that certainly would indicate Ne.

I can actually go through each quote and tell you what I was thinking.

1)"Relating a person to the whole world: that is the meaning of cinema." 

Feeling over thinking, plus sensing.

2)"Art is realistic when it strives to express an ethical ideal. [Se+F]. Realism is striving for truth, and truth is always beautiful [introversion]. Here the aesthetic coincides with the ethical. [Se+F]"

The third quote is all about sensation over intuition:

I had the greatest difficulty in explaining to people that there is no hidden, coded meaning in the film, nothing beyond the desire to tell the truth. Often my assurances provoked incredulity and even disappointment. Some people [intuitives] evidently wanted more: they needed arcane symbols, secret meanings. They were not accustomed to the poetics of the cinema image.

We discussed the fourth.

5) "Above all, I feel that the sounds of this world are so beautiful in themselves that if only we could listen to them properly, cinema would have no need for music at all."

Se

6) "My function is to make whoever sees my films aware of his need to love and to give his love, and aware the beauty is summoning him."

Feeling. Speaking of an individual rather than the whole audience (fi>fe)

7) "Never try to convey your idea to the audience — it is a thankless and senseless task. Show them life, and they'll find within themselves the means to assess and appreciate it."

Sensation

8) "Nobody who has ever betrayed his principles can have a pure relationship with life." 

Fi & Se

9) "Learn to love solitude...to be more alone with yourself."

Introversion.

I do think Tarkovsky is Fi-Ni-Se-Te. Just how Kubrick is Ti-Ni-Se-Fe.

If you have contrary evidence please present it. I'm glad you messaged me because I would like to ask about two things:

1) I Hate Everything as an ISTJ without any evidence or proof. I know you didn't come up with it but it's odd to have him on the ISTJ page with no support.

2) Funnily enough, from the quotes, Ingmar Bergman seems INFP.

I think "I want very much to tell, to talk about, the wholeness inside every human being." has been interpreted as Fe instead of Fi.

Compare to Sylvia Plath [INFP]: "I would like to be everyone, a cripple, a dying man, a whore, and then come back to write about my thoughts, my emotions, as that person."

Now compare to Tolstoy "I have seen the truth; I have seen and I know that people can be beautiful and happy. ... I will not and cannot believe that evil is the normal condition of mankind."

Or Dostoevsky "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."

Bergman's statement lacks the hollistic, unifying nature of Ni+Fe. He is speaking to the inside of individuals

"Regardless of whether I believe or not, whether I am a Christian or not, I would play my part in the collective building of the cathedral."

Idrlabs spoke about this:

'''MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN: “I think the Grammys are nothing more than some gigantic promotional machine for the music industry. … They don’t honor the arts or the artist for what he created. … [But having won one] why should we refuse it? … If our record company and the music business want to have a party, why should we spoil it for them? … Just because we don’t like it, why ruin it for them?” – Keenan: Interview with Maynard Keenan of Tool NY Rock Magazine 2002'''

While the Fi type may more easily withdraw his personal sentiments from such external metrics (such as with Maynard James Keenan as quoted above), West’s cognitive loci are closer to what we would expect of an SFJ type: To West, the externalized and empirical metric matters and the formalized stamp of recognition of the peer group should be awarded to the proper person.

''"I make all my decisions on intuition. I throw a spear into the darkness. That is intuition. Then I must send an army into the darkness to find the spear. That is intellect." ''

Intuition? Sure. But Ni?

"I don't watch my own films very often. I become so jittery and ready to cry ... and miserable. I think it's awful," 

Johnny Depp and Adam Driver hate to watch themselves on camera. Driver once left an interview early because the interviewer played a clip.

Now to be fair there are many quotes that point to INFJ:

'''People ask what are my intentions with my films — my aims. It is a difficult and dangerous question, and I usually give an evasive answer: I try to tell the truth about the human condition, the truth as I see it.'''

Kubrick: "I believe Bergman, De Sica, and Fellini are the only three filmmakers in the world who are not just artistic opportunists. By this I mean they don't just sit and wait for a good story to come along and then make it. They have a point of view which is expressed over and over and over again in their films, and they themselves write or have original material written for them."

So whether Bergman is INFP or INFJ, I do not believe the page does him justice to prove INFJ. I am not going to touch the page because it is not my domain.